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Posted on: 03/13/24 03:06PM
Anyway.... getting back on topic, I've heard that the impetus for people being arrested for loli is that they actually have CP or were caught grooming.
Like I remember two lolicon cases that kept getting posted around various places to fearmonger that Big Brother is coming after loli drawings..... but it turned out the guys had good reason to get arrested. One had actual CP mixed with the lolicon, and the other was sending sexual messages to a person under 12 years of age.
And that's how it should stay. If it's not actual child pornography being found, and it's not pedophiles messaging 9 year olds playing fornite to perform illicit sexual acts, then loli drawings should never be illegal.
Very well said. You explained better than I could.
Now loli is something I don't care about at all...... but man..... if they start banning oppai lolis and busty female characters with ambiguous ages, I'd be so mad like you wouldn't believe....
Like I remember two lolicon cases that kept getting posted around various places to fearmonger that Big Brother is coming after loli drawings..... but it turned out the guys had good reason to get arrested. One had actual CP mixed with the lolicon, and the other was sending sexual messages to a person under 12 years of age.
And that's how it should stay. If it's not actual child pornography being found, and it's not pedophiles messaging 9 year olds playing fornite to perform illicit sexual acts, then loli drawings should never be illegal.
VenousBite said:
At that point you're essentially infusing thought crime into your legal system, which is something that will inevitably lead to a dystopian hellhole in any context or scope once it inevitably becomes standard procedure, so you'd hope not. Consumption of fictional material should never be conflated with real actions, which is so obvious that I'm in disbelief that a subset of modern humans still fail to fathom it.
The "outrage" you see against loli from outspoken culture warriors online is mostly superficial and performative, as drama seekers get thrills off the controversy generated by making a childish uproar about it (an intrinsic feature of their psychology from being raised on social media), rather than it being born of a rational set of principles that they follow in their perception of a broad range of subjects. Essentially, it's just a pretext for complaining about something to satisfy the boredom of insane people, and this same collective would be railing against another innocuous thing if loli were taken out of the equation anyway. My optimistic expectation for the future is that the masses eventually tire of the endless series of virtual witch hunts perpetuated by those with a flagrantly malicious, tyrannical outlook on life; thereby rejecting their shallow obsession with making the Overton Window they swear by even narrower than it already is.
At that point you're essentially infusing thought crime into your legal system, which is something that will inevitably lead to a dystopian hellhole in any context or scope once it inevitably becomes standard procedure, so you'd hope not. Consumption of fictional material should never be conflated with real actions, which is so obvious that I'm in disbelief that a subset of modern humans still fail to fathom it.
The "outrage" you see against loli from outspoken culture warriors online is mostly superficial and performative, as drama seekers get thrills off the controversy generated by making a childish uproar about it (an intrinsic feature of their psychology from being raised on social media), rather than it being born of a rational set of principles that they follow in their perception of a broad range of subjects. Essentially, it's just a pretext for complaining about something to satisfy the boredom of insane people, and this same collective would be railing against another innocuous thing if loli were taken out of the equation anyway. My optimistic expectation for the future is that the masses eventually tire of the endless series of virtual witch hunts perpetuated by those with a flagrantly malicious, tyrannical outlook on life; thereby rejecting their shallow obsession with making the Overton Window they swear by even narrower than it already is.
Very well said. You explained better than I could.
Now loli is something I don't care about at all...... but man..... if they start banning oppai lolis and busty female characters with ambiguous ages, I'd be so mad like you wouldn't believe....
Posted on: 03/13/24 03:25PM
ThePigeon said:
It is a mean dragon I suppose.
But that's the thing, she is not going to go to the uni in 10 years, because her brain will still be stuck as a 9yo. She has been stuck with the same personality and appearance for a long time for what I understood.
Interesting: www.reddit.com/r/DragonMa...of_tohru_and_kanna_kamui/
Flamingo123 said:
Not sure about her mom but afaik Kanna's (bio) dad just... SUCKS as a person but idk what he did
Yeah it would, tho she's not like... dumb she's just that immature but yeah it's gonna be awkward in like 10 years when she's in uni and looks the same
Not sure about her mom but afaik Kanna's (bio) dad just... SUCKS as a person but idk what he did
Yeah it would, tho she's not like... dumb she's just that immature but yeah it's gonna be awkward in like 10 years when she's in uni and looks the same
It is a mean dragon I suppose.
But that's the thing, she is not going to go to the uni in 10 years, because her brain will still be stuck as a 9yo. She has been stuck with the same personality and appearance for a long time for what I understood.
Interesting: www.reddit.com/r/DragonMa...of_tohru_and_kanna_kamui/
That's how 2hu vampires work. Even if it's 100,000 years from now, Remilia and Flandre will still be children with the mindsets of one.
Posted on: 03/13/24 03:26PM
BaconMinion said:
That's how 2hu vampires work. Even if it's 100,000 years from now, Remilia and Flandre will still be children with the mindsets of one.
That's how 2hu vampires work. Even if it's 100,000 years from now, Remilia and Flandre will still be children with the mindsets of one.
They are canonically mentally challenged, compared to a common human... that's kind of sad.
Posted on: 03/13/24 05:27PM
Moonman said:
The contrary. There are global movements to make actual photographic CSAM legal, and it's not looking good for those who disagree with such... "progress".
The contrary. There are global movements to make actual photographic CSAM legal, and it's not looking good for those who disagree with such... "progress".
Germany is currently trying really hard to legalize masturbation rooms in kindergartens...
www.focus.de/panorama/wel...erichte_id_259570806.html
www.blick.ch/ausland/jetz...inrichten-id19325321.html
www.derwesten.de/region/k...kerpen-c-id300790807.html
www.rmx.news/germany/germ...ate-and-touch-each-other/
www.infowars.com/posts/di...ation-rooms-for-children/
www.voiceofeurope.com/ger...ate-and-touch-each-other/
Posted on: 03/13/24 05:36PM
ThePigeon said:
They are canonically mentally challenged, compared to a common human... that's kind of sad.
They are canonically mentally challenged, compared to a common human... that's kind of sad.
That's not "mentally challenged". Being a child isn't the same as being mentally challenged. Height challenged or growth stunted would be more accurate.
Posted on: 03/13/24 05:40PM
Darkalo said:
Germany is currently trying really hard to legalize masturbation rooms in kindergartens...
www.focus.de/panorama/wel...erichte_id_259570806.html
www.blick.ch/ausland/jetz...inrichten-id19325321.html
www.derwesten.de/region/k...kerpen-c-id300790807.html
www.rmx.news/germany/germ...ate-and-touch-each-other/
www.infowars.com/posts/di...ation-rooms-for-children/
www.voiceofeurope.com/ger...ate-and-touch-each-other/
Germany is currently trying really hard to legalize masturbation rooms in kindergartens...
www.focus.de/panorama/wel...erichte_id_259570806.html
www.blick.ch/ausland/jetz...inrichten-id19325321.html
www.derwesten.de/region/k...kerpen-c-id300790807.html
www.rmx.news/germany/germ...ate-and-touch-each-other/
www.infowars.com/posts/di...ation-rooms-for-children/
www.voiceofeurope.com/ger...ate-and-touch-each-other/
That's incredibly disturbing.
Here we go again
Posted on: 03/13/24 07:13PM
Do I think loli will become illegal? Well… personally I don’t think it will, at least not right now. I don’t see much momentum to make it happen.
There is too much nuance. People can’t even agree on what a Loli is, conceptually. Some people think Rebecca from Cyberpunk is a Loli, which I disagree with for example, because being petite doesn’t make you a child. Lolita clothing exists, which is a fairly normal style of fashion
I don’t trust the old fucks in seats of power to do that much diligence and I also don’t trust degens to refrain from drawing toddlers in thongs. I believe insulating lolicon is still a net negative on society, even if there’s no physical harm.
Long story short: there will be a legal conflict eventually but not right now
There is too much nuance. People can’t even agree on what a Loli is, conceptually. Some people think Rebecca from Cyberpunk is a Loli, which I disagree with for example, because being petite doesn’t make you a child. Lolita clothing exists, which is a fairly normal style of fashion
I don’t trust the old fucks in seats of power to do that much diligence and I also don’t trust degens to refrain from drawing toddlers in thongs. I believe insulating lolicon is still a net negative on society, even if there’s no physical harm.
Long story short: there will be a legal conflict eventually but not right now
Posted on: 03/13/24 07:32PM
SadSap said:
That doesn't work one bit for loli characters.
A character that looks like an adult can be claimed as over 18 and get away scot free, but characters that look like children will not get away with the whole "she's 18+" excuse. They always tend to get banned.
BaconMinion said:
Just claim that everybody is over 18.
That's not a grade schooler, that's a college girl. She's just not very developed yet. What are you, some kind of bigot? You heightist. Vertically challenged people have rights!
Just claim that everybody is over 18.
That's not a grade schooler, that's a college girl. She's just not very developed yet. What are you, some kind of bigot? You heightist. Vertically challenged people have rights!
That doesn't work one bit for loli characters.
A character that looks like an adult can be claimed as over 18 and get away scot free, but characters that look like children will not get away with the whole "she's 18+" excuse. They always tend to get banned.
That didn't stopped gacha games. Softcore porno.
Posted on: 03/14/24 12:07AM
US law temporarily made loli illegal, regardless of claimed age.
It was up to a jury to judge age based on appearance.
Can happen in cases of real human photographs and videos as well. If there is no assurance of legal age made in the video itself, the jury itself will have to decide.
Such a case happened in Puerto Rico where an American jury may have almost convicted a man on those grounds if not for his attorney giving a subpoena to the actress in question.
It was up to a jury to judge age based on appearance.
Can happen in cases of real human photographs and videos as well. If there is no assurance of legal age made in the video itself, the jury itself will have to decide.
Such a case happened in Puerto Rico where an American jury may have almost convicted a man on those grounds if not for his attorney giving a subpoena to the actress in question.
Posted on: 03/14/24 07:44AM
It doesn't matter if it becomes illegal when the federal government colludes and cooperates with corporations such as Google to create profiles of the online activities of every single internet user, both domestically and abroad. They track everything you click, everything you scroll, and how long you spend looking at something.
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